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This is just sad. And enfuriating.
« on: March 08, 2019, 09:45:09 am »
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle/lifestyleroyals/meghan-markle-racist-online-abuse-puts-palace-on-high-alert/ar-BBUwUBO?ocid=ientp 

Once I thought society was moving forward, but there are people who glory in their own awfulness, I guess.

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2019, 12:36:12 pm »
I think MSN is slightly misreading this whole troll situation. It is certainly sad that some people get their kicks trolling Meghan for being mixed-race, but the fact is that these are the same people who troll Kate for being lower-middle-class and the daughter of an air hostess - and, if either of the princes had married a king's or a duke's daughter instead, would undoubtedly have targeted her as a snobby aristo / an effing inbred foreigner. It's just a handy stick to beat her with: racism is hardly the point at all for the vast majority of the trolls, whose main hobby is spilling bile indiscriminately.

- And, BTW, MSN are wrong also to say that 'Meghan and Harry's forthcoming child will be the first known mixed-race baby in the royal family's thousand-year history': the first was born in 2010. Senna Kowhai Lewis and Tāne Mahuta Lewis, great-great-grandchildren of King George V, who are currently 31st and 32nd in line to the throne, are half-Maori.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2019, 03:24:32 pm »
I wouldn't blame society.  The article had this little bit
"The analysis of the tweets, posted between January and the middle of February, shows that a tight-knit group of accounts is behind much of the trolling."

That's not society at large.  That's a trolling operation.
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 05:55:27 pm »
I think MSN is slightly misreading this whole troll situation. It is certainly sad that some people get their kicks trolling Meghan for being mixed-race, but the fact is that these are the same people who troll Kate for being lower-middle-class and the daughter of an air hostess - and, if either of the princes had married a king's or a duke's daughter instead, would undoubtedly have targeted her as a snobby aristo / an effing inbred foreigner. It's just a handy stick to beat her with: racism is hardly the point at all for the vast majority of the trolls, whose main hobby is spilling bile indiscriminately.

- And, BTW, MSN are wrong also to say that 'Meghan and Harry's forthcoming child will be the first known mixed-race baby in the royal family's thousand-year history': the first was born in 2010. Senna Kowhai Lewis and Tāne Mahuta Lewis, great-great-grandchildren of King George V, who are currently 31st and 32nd in line to the throne, are half-Maori.
I thought that the Middletons were upper-middle-class?

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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2019, 10:32:34 am »
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I thought that the Middletons were upper-middle-class?

(Sorry for delay - have been off-grid for a couple of days.)

'The British class system is unspeakably complex, being not only multi-stratified horizontally but also segmented vertically. It's important to grasp (your profile gives no clue to your location, so forgive me if you're a Brit and know this) that it's not a matter of how rich you are, but your education, outlook, manners and lifestyle. Also, like your investments, your class status can go down as well as up - traditionally, if you adopt a chavvy occupation and way of life, you will drift downwards and your more genteel relatives will cease to invite you round.

No, the Middletons are not upper-middle-class, although huge efforts have been made by some commentators to insist that they are, with ill-informed waffle about 'ties to the aristocracy' and 'they entertained royalty'. The Leeds Middleton family were solid Yorkshire middle-middle for generations, but Papa Middleton and his father both made a living as commercial pilots (very lower-middle) so in spite of going to public school he was a rung below his grandparents' level even before he married Mama Middleton, who of of course is pure lower-middle (builder's daughter from Southall, state schooling, air hostess) and they became very rich running a business selling party supplies, which is very definitely not an upper-middle or even a middle-middle-class thing to do, but nevertheless provided them with the money to launch their children at high society. Some journalists have adopted the term 'Upper Middleton Classes' for this innovative social phenomenon.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2019, 12:48:53 pm »
Aleko, that's fascinating. I'm in the southern U.S.  Class distinctions in the U.S. are almost entirely about money, with perhaps a bit of educational achievement thrown in. In the U.S., the Middletons would have formerly been middle-class, but are now upper-middle-class.  Almost no-one identifies as upper class in the U.S. - It's not egalitarian to do so.  The upper classes are referred to as the "elites," usually with a sneer.

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2019, 07:34:19 pm »
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I thought that the Middletons were upper-middle-class?

(Sorry for delay - have been off-grid for a couple of days.)

'The British class system is unspeakably complex, being not only multi-stratified horizontally but also segmented vertically. It's important to grasp (your profile gives no clue to your location, so forgive me if you're a Brit and know this) that it's not a matter of how rich you are, but your education, outlook, manners and lifestyle. Also, like your investments, your class status can go down as well as up - traditionally, if you adopt a chavvy occupation and way of life, you will drift downwards and your more genteel relatives will cease to invite you round.

No, the Middletons are not upper-middle-class, although huge efforts have been made by some commentators to insist that they are, with ill-informed waffle about 'ties to the aristocracy' and 'they entertained royalty'. The Leeds Middleton family were solid Yorkshire middle-middle for generations, but Papa Middleton and his father both made a living as commercial pilots (very lower-middle) so in spite of going to public school he was a rung below his grandparents' level even before he married Mama Middleton, who of of course is pure lower-middle (builder's daughter from Southall, state schooling, air hostess) and they became very rich running a business selling party supplies, which is very definitely not an upper-middle or even a middle-middle-class thing to do, but nevertheless provided them with the money to launch their children at high society. Some journalists have adopted the term 'Upper Middleton Classes' for this innovative social phenomenon.

Having read a lot of Regency Romances and a few books written during the Regency and a lot of other books set in Britain - I can almost hear the voice of an aristocrat drawling out "they're in trade" as an explanation as to why they are *not* in the upper crust of society - or wouldn't have been for oh, say, the last few hundred years. 
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