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Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« on: August 24, 2020, 08:07:53 am »
I can't decide if I admire her backbone to not cave into her MIL or stunned that she'd make the innocent feel so guilty.

Hostess wrote into Miss Manners that she had agreed to host a small gathering of her MIL and 2 other guests. MIL extended the invitation to 4 additional guests. Hostess learned of the increased number 30 min prior to their arrival. Hostess locked herself into her bedroom for the entire event. She later followed up with an email to all explaining her actions and asking that in the future they contact her or her husband to confirm if they were actually invited if the invite was not directly from one of them.

https://www.uexpress.com/miss-manners/2020/8/22/overwhelmed-hostess-retreats-to-bedroom

Unless the 4 unexpected guests had a pattern of showing up uninvited, I don't think I could have made them feel unwelcome, no matter how uncomfortable or angry I was about the situation. I hope the husband was able to cover with a "Wife started feeling poorly and decided it is best to not potential exposure"

I do think her letter highlights where the blame should be.

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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2020, 08:47:42 am »
I would not have handled this how the letter writer did, but I would have been irked COVID issues aside. When people show up who were not invited the entire tenor of the event can change.

I am reminded of a few years ago when I invited my mom, my sister and my three nieces over to bake Christmas cookies at my house. My daughter was so excited to spend time with her cousins. My sister showed up with a random neighbor girl and insisted that this girl get prime treatment ("let Greta have a turn using the mixer") and "her share" of the cookies we made. I was SO ANGRY about this because Greta was NOT invited and it changed the entire event from a fun family bonding experience to my child feeling like SHE was the one who was on the fringe because my sister was making her kids focus on making Greta feel "a part of the family." For what it's worth, Greta comes from a happy and healthy family (I know Greta and her family; they are nice people; but they are not MY family).

At any rate, when they arrived I said something like, "Oh - is Greta getting picked up here in a few minutes? This is supposed to be a family cookie baking afternoon," and my sister basically blew me off. It was a tense afternoon, and I later sent my sister an email directly stating that in the future when I invite her and her family over I am NOT inviting over their neighbors or anyone else......not because I am not hospitably, but because when people who are not invited show up the tenor of the event is totally different. I mean, MY daughter didn't invite a friend over because she was looking forward to having cousin time!
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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2020, 09:53:04 am »
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Unless the 4 unexpected guests had a pattern of showing up uninvited,

I think the MIL has a pattern of dragging people along. And I think those other people have a responsibility to not enable her.

I'm guessing she knows it wouldn't do any good to put MIL on blast.

But like you, I probably couldn't even have locked myself in my bedroom.

I think she should have sent much the same email, but to each person individually, with a more confidential tone.


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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2020, 11:07:43 am »
I wouldn't have done it the way she did. The real problem isn't the extra guests, but the MIL. The hostess would have to put her foot down hard with MIL. She needs to tell MIL not to invite extra guests. If that doesn't work, stop hosting events that involve MIL. If MIL suggests hostess host a birthday party for someone, hostess can say, "I'm not able to plan events like this because I never know how many guests will show up." The only way this will get better is if hostess, and likely her husband, stop enabling the woman. I do know a couple of people who are pushy like this and you have to be firm.

TootsNYC's suggestion for the email was good. If you think that these same people might continue to be caught up in MIL's boundary stomping, it might be necessary to clue them in.
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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2020, 11:33:24 am »
I wouldn't have done it the way she did. The real problem isn't the extra guests, but the MIL. The hostess would have to put her foot down hard with MIL. She needs to tell MIL not to invite extra guests. If that doesn't work, stop hosting events that involve MIL. If MIL suggests hostess host a birthday party for someone, hostess can say, "I'm not able to plan events like this because I never know how many guests will show up." The only way this will get better is if hostess, and likely her husband, stop enabling the woman. I do know a couple of people who are pushy like this and you have to be firm.

TootsNYC's suggestion for the email was good. If you think that these same people might continue to be caught up in MIL's boundary stomping, it might be necessary to clue them in.

Do you think her action of refusing to actively host the additional guests and her follow up email will be enough to stop the behavior?  If not, what do you think would be sufficient to stop the MIL from doing this in the future?
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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2020, 11:38:11 am »
In the future, I think I'd invite the guests and not invite MIL!

In the letter writer's shoes, I'd have welcomed in the 4 guests and either stretched what I had made (30 minutes notice?  Seriously?) or switched to a simple grilled cheese and canned soup offering.  And then send the email, individually, apologizing for the less than stellar offerings as I wasn't aware that there would be 4 additional guests in sufficient time to plan and in future, it would be prudent to check with me if MIL extends invitations, supposedly on my behalf.
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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2020, 11:57:44 am »
I am not typically invited by someone other than a host to an event, but if I am I take it on myself to contact the actual host. It’s not even really that I don’t trust my friends and family, it’s just that I would typically do something like send a simple text: “Hi Jenny! Sam said to come by the open house next Saturday - is there something I can bring?” Or even, “Hi Jenny! Sam said to come by the open house - is there a certain time frame you would prefer? I look forward to seeing you!” Or possibly, “Hi Jenny! Congrats on ____. How will you celebrate?!” That puts the ball in actual host’s court and also gives a way out.

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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2020, 12:58:32 pm »
Out of interest what are the rules for a 'stay at home order'?

I'm just going on what I would have assumed they were based on what the local lockdown rules were for me (in Wales) - which were you didn't go to someone else's home - including their gardens  (from 1st June it did ease two households (not three or more) could meet up outdoors - and even then it was 5 miles limit from your home (exemptions for work) - it's eased further again now)

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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2020, 01:34:21 pm »
If any guest of mine rang 30 minutes before arriving to say that she was bringing four extra guests with her, if l was quick-thinking enough I’d tell her ‘Right. In that case you’ll need to stop off at a supermarket on the way and buy four ribeye steaks, a couple of pounds of new potatoes, a plum streusel tart, and three bottles of Rioja. Otherwise there won’t be a meal.’ If I was too speechless on the phone, as soon as she arrived I’d give her the shopping list and bundle her straight back into her car to get it. Nor would I offer to reimburse her for any of it.

But I’d be as welcoming as possible to the unexpected guests - unless I knew they knew they weren’t invited and were essentially in cahoots with her to barge their way in, in which case I’d allow myself to be just a tiny bit sparse.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2020, 03:43:38 pm »
The hostess had valid feelings but acted like a toddler having a temper tantrum. If I was there I'd think she had lost her mind acting so childish.

However, she had the right to be angry. I would be so very angry it would probably take me more than a few days to calm down to address my MIL over this. However, address it I would, in clear, explicit but polite language that this was completely unacceptable regardless of how nice the uninvited guests were, and if it even happened once more she (the MIL) would be off my guest list permanently. I'd explain how boorish this behavior and that while I am open to meeting new people I am not open to having my party "crashed."

Both the letter writer and her MIL were behaved inappropriately, but the letter writer acted like an idiot.
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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2020, 04:45:05 pm »
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Do you think her action of refusing to actively host the additional guests and her follow up email will be enough to stop the behavior?  If not, what do you think would be sufficient to stop the MIL from doing this in the future?

I suspect that what she has already done won't stop MIL. I suspect that telling MIL directly to not invite extra people will not stop her.  If I'm right, then I think she needs to stop inviting MIL to her parties. I know this is a tough thing to do. MIL can always do the hosting herself.
It is one thing if someone makes a mistake because they were thoughtless, we all do that occasionally. But if someone continues a behavior even after they have been asked to stop, you have two options. You can put up with their behavior and grow resentful, or you can stop or adjust the interaction where they misbehave.

I have a sister who has some serious personality issues. I used to take vacation trips with her and I used to have overnight visits with her. I no longer do either. I see her for holiday dinners, and at family events, but nothing overnight or for more than a few hours. She is one of those people who doesn't take no for an answer. She is manipulative, and she lies to get her way. I finally faced up to the fact that she is like this and won't change, so I adjusted the interactions to what I could handle. Once you take charge of the situation, your stress level goes way down, and you don't feel nearly as resentful of the person.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2020, 08:39:21 pm »
In the future, I think I'd invite the guests and not invite MIL!

In the letter writer's shoes, I'd have welcomed in the 4 guests and either stretched what I had made (30 minutes notice?  Seriously?) or switched to a simple grilled cheese and canned soup offering.  And then send the email, individually, apologizing for the less than stellar offerings as I wasn't aware that there would be 4 additional guests in sufficient time to plan and in future, it would be prudent to check with me if MIL extends invitations, supposedly on my behalf.

I think the safety concern as well as the shock to an introvert at the significant change was more the issue than there not being enough food.  Though this does remind me of an entertaining ehell story about a woman showing up to a fancy dinner party with her child and insisting he be served the same meal as everyone else - so the hostess gave the woman’s food to the kid and gave the woman the emergency sandwiches.
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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2020, 10:17:27 pm »
The hostess had valid feelings but acted like a toddler having a temper tantrum. If I was there I'd think she had lost her mind acting so childish.

This, exactly.  Everyone must have been so embarrassed.

The MIL way overstepped, and I would have been furious, too.  Most people would. But this behavior is beyond weird for an adult.
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Re: Hero hostess or Horror Hostess?
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2020, 02:13:48 am »
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Though this does remind me of an entertaining ehell story about a woman showing up to a fancy dinner party with her child and insisting he be served the same meal as everyone else - so the hostess gave the woman’s food to the kid and gave the woman the emergency sandwiches.

Well done her! A variation on this would be my alternative strategy - I’d take her to one side and say: ‘Mabel, dear, I was expecting two guests so I provided a plentiful meal for four. But now you’ve doubled the size of the party there just isn’t enough for everyone. So as hosts - and you invited some of them so you’re their hostess and responsible for them getting fed - you and I and DH are going to have to make do with a cheese sandwich each, and not drink any wine. What I cooked for four will go round our five guests pretty well.’

A person who does things like that will only stop doing them if they know, or at least suspect, that it won’t work for them. If she - and Her Own Son! I doubt she cares about inconvenience to That Woman He Married, but her DS, that’s different - had to sit watching the people she brought to the party enjoying the lovely food she would have had while eating bread and cheese and drinking water, I doubt she’d pull that one again - not on her DIL, at any rate.
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2020, 05:18:02 am »
Two wrongs don't make a right. I think the LW was rude for retreating to her bedroom for the entire night.

That said, I suspect this has probably been an on-going problem with the MIL, and the LW might well be at her wits end. I also think that putting the responsibility on the MIL to help feed the extra guests wouldn't work. I can imagine the LW asking the MIL: "Hey, I've only catered for four people, not eight. Can you please pick up some more food and wine on the way here?" and being met with a response of "Oh, don't fret, there'll be enough to go around." or "You and I can just eat a bit less, to stretch it out!"

If I were the LW, I would have welcomed the extra guests, but would have made a comment along the lines of "It's lovely to see / meet you, but I actually didn't know MIL had invited you until 30 minutes beforehand. I apologise in advance if the food's a little light on." I think saying that in a polite, cheerful tone would be ok.

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