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Victim Of Fate

Little private party in the kitchen
« on: July 19, 2019, 05:14:00 am »
My wife, her mother and her sister have a tendency that strikes me as slightly rude. When my in-laws are entertaining (e.g. hosting dinner for a couple of other families, which they do fairly frequently - say once a month), my mother-in-law will usually spend a lot of her time in the kitchen preparing the food, while the guests will be in the lounge with drinks. My wife and her sister will often go to help her out, which will leave me and my father-in-law with the guests. FIL is fairly introverted, particularly with guests that he doesn't know that well. The kitchen is close enough to the lounge that you can hear muffled laughter as the three of them laugh and joke in the kitchen, often for an extended period of time. What results in an awkward atmosphere in the lounge while everyone can hear that there's lots of excitement and fun taking place in another room.

Am I wrong here, or is this a bit rude? Not sure whether to bring it up, or if not, how to try and make guests feel a bit more comfortable.

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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2019, 06:43:53 am »
My wife, her mother and her sister have a tendency that strikes me as slightly rude. When my in-laws are entertaining (e.g. hosting dinner for a couple of other families, which they do fairly frequently - say once a month), my mother-in-law will usually spend a lot of her time in the kitchen preparing the food, while the guests will be in the lounge with drinks. My wife and her sister will often go to help her out, which will leave me and my father-in-law with the guests. FIL is fairly introverted, particularly with guests that he doesn't know that well. The kitchen is close enough to the lounge that you can hear muffled laughter as the three of them laugh and joke in the kitchen, often for an extended period of time. What results in an awkward atmosphere in the lounge while everyone can hear that there's lots of excitement and fun taking place in another room.

Am I wrong here, or is this a bit rude? Not sure whether to bring it up, or if not, how to try and make guests feel a bit more comfortable.

Welcome, Victim of Fate!

Could you (and possibly your father-in-law) offer to help out in the kitchen "so that your wife/sister/mother-in-law could socialise with the guests"?  That way, whatever needs to happen in the kitchen is still getting done, and some of the jollity could be shared with the other people at the party?

Another option is to discuss this with your wife just after one such gathering, and mention that everyone not involved in the kitchen hilarity was feeling a little left out - what could you do to help out in future?  This gives you/her time to make a plan that will work for all concerned.

I'm looking at it from my perspective, where I've been one of the women* in a kitchen, and fun organically starts, and occasionally one of the [almost always (sadly)] men outside asks what's going on.  We never say "oh, those doing all the work are having fun", we just say "we're going as fast as we can".  The people commenting are invariably those who never even offer to lift a finger, let alone get one dirty in real life.

* My husband and one cousin's husband do help out, and do join in the laughing [cousin's husband is often an instigator], but it's mainly the females in my side of the family that do all the work.

I'm assuming that's not the case with you?  If not, I'm sure the ladies in the kitchen would love an extra pair of hands to speed up that part of the evening.  Worth asking, anyway.
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2019, 06:50:26 am »
I don’t mean for this to sound rude but how else do you think food is going to get prepared unless people are in the kitchen preparing it? Maybe next time there is a dinner party you and your father-in-law should plan, cook and prepare all of the food so your wife and mother-in-law can just sit in the lounge and hangout with the guests.
 
What they are doing in not at all rude, someone has to prepare the food for the dinner, and they are allowed to have a good time while they do it.
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2019, 07:20:18 am »
Why would it be awkward to hear chatter and laughing in the kitchen? Are the women doing the work suppose to keep silent? Nobody is stopping everyone in the lounge from having a good time too. Start a topic for the guests to discuss.
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2019, 08:06:19 am »
I think VOF is also asking about the awkward situation he's put in where he and FIL are stuck awkwardly hosting all of the guests...  I understand the replies here that "of course the food has to be cooked", but honestly I'd much rather be cooking than hosting all the guests all the time. From my reading, it's not just that the kitchen family members are having more fun, it's that he's always playing host and doesn't really like it and would like help changing up the dynamic.

VOF, I like the suggestion of offering to swap places with your wife. It might help for her to see how the guests perceive not being in the kitchen. Or maybe you could arrive earlier and pre-prep more so no one is stuck in the kitchen the whole time? (Or you could prepare it at home?) Or is the kitchen large enough you and a couple of guests could wander in and say "your party sounds more fun than ours, we'd like to join you"?  Or if you had it at a different house with an open floor plan, maybe everyone could be part of the same conversation?
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2019, 08:46:11 am »
Why is all this food preparation going on after guests have already arrived?   When I used to host dinner parties, I had most of the food prepared and either in the refrigerator, oven or on the burner ready to start.  The longest I might be in the kitchen would be fifteen minutes while cooking a steak. 
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2019, 09:31:47 am »
I can think of two ways to change that very quickly!  If they go with "catering", someone else does the cooking and possibly even some of the serving & cleanup.  If they go with "grilling", then FIL is going to be outside, possibly with one or two of the other men, doing the cooking of the meats and any grilled vegetables - in good weather, the whole party could be outside...this plan doesn't work as well in bad weather.

Third way to handle is to do most of the food prep before the party starts, so that the food is being kept warm in the oven or a chafing dish, the cold dishes are in the fridge or on ice, and people have a brief visitation period with snacks before moving on to either a buffet or the dining room table set up "family style" - but the hostess needs to be doing more work before the party starts instead of spending a lot of time in the kitchen, visiting with only a small sub-set of the guests.  It starts to feel like a List A and a List B situation, even if it isn't intended to feel like that.
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2019, 09:39:06 am »
It's interesting reading the replies; I had missed that it was 'entertaining', and had superimposed my family's type of get-together on top!

We will have Meal A all ready, but people tend to arrive very early, or stay over till the next day, and those other meals are what I was thinking of.

My late [unlamented] uncle regularly used to say "what's for dinner?", but I never once knew him lift anything more taxing than a full mug of tea in the kitchen, so that is clearly part of what's colouring my thinking!
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2019, 11:17:47 am »
I don’t mean for this to sound rude but how else do you think food is going to get prepared unless people are in the kitchen preparing it? Maybe next time there is a dinner party you and your father-in-law should plan, cook and prepare all of the food so your wife and mother-in-law can just sit in the lounge and hangout with the guests.
 
What they are doing in not at all rude, someone has to prepare the food for the dinner, and they are allowed to have a good time while they do it.

To clarify, this isn't a case of me sitting in the living room and expecting them to do everything. If it was just a case of getting the food ready, then I would agree, but it sometimes feels like more of a case of neglecting the guests because the fun is happening in the kitchen. There have been times when I've been doing the cooking, and the same thing happens - people hang out in the kitchen while the guests are left virtually unattended in the lounge.

I guess a more general form of my question would be: to what extent should the hosts give facetime to guests at a dinner party before serving food versus concentrating on the food preparation, and to what extent should hosts ensure that guest don't feel like they are missing out on something more fun happening behind closed doors?
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2019, 11:56:50 am »
I don’t mean for this to sound rude but how else do you think food is going to get prepared unless people are in the kitchen preparing it? Maybe next time there is a dinner party you and your father-in-law should plan, cook and prepare all of the food so your wife and mother-in-law can just sit in the lounge and hangout with the guests.
 
What they are doing in not at all rude, someone has to prepare the food for the dinner, and they are allowed to have a good time while they do it.

Well, ideally most of the cooking would be done before the guests get there, and there wouldn't be a need for a prolonged session in the kitchen.
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2019, 12:04:57 pm »
What is happening? Do they have guests hang out for the day and they naturally have to start cooking at dinner time? or do they invite people for dinner at 7pm and they don't start cooking until guests arrive around 7pm? If the latter, I agree most of the cooking should be prepped and ready before 7pm.

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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2019, 12:22:15 pm »
What is happening? Do they have guests hang out for the day and they naturally have to start cooking at dinner time? or do they invite people for dinner at 7pm and they don't start cooking until guests arrive around 7pm? If the latter, I agree most of the cooking should be prepped and ready before 7pm.

When I wrote my first reponse, I was imagining it to be the former, but now it sounds as though it's the latter?

If that's the case, you really do have to have a word with your wife and point out that it feels as though there's a small exclusive (fun) happening in the kitchen, whilst the tumbleweeds are blowing through the guest areas.

You can't really say anything to your mother/sister-in-law, I don't think, but hopefully once your wife realises that guests are feeling neglected she will speak with her family.  I still think that you could go into the kitchen and usher the females out and say "I'll finish up in here, you go and talk to the visitors!".
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2019, 02:00:36 pm »
I agree with talking with your wife.

I'd say to frame it this way: You are in a position to observe something that she cannot. So share that information with her.

And also express your willingness to help solve the problem in any way that you are able to.
It might be that your wife is actually more helpful to her parents (plural) by helping to entertain the guests than she is by assisting in the kitchen.


(and if they don't do anything to fix the problem, next time just grab a guest or two and go to the kitchen, saying, "This sounds like the fun room! Can we help?")
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2019, 12:35:21 am »
I think ideally, when you're entertaining, food prep should be done beforehand (to the extent possible) to minimise time spent in the kitchen and away from your guests. Otherwise, what's the point of even hosting?

The exception to this, is obviously if the guests are staying for a long visit (ie several hours or days) such that it's not possible to do food prep before they arrive.

So yeah, I do think the OP's MIL, SIL and wife are being rather inconsiderate towards their guests if they are spending large chunks of the evening in the kitchen and not interacting with their guests. They're also being a bit inconsiderate towards the OP and FIL by lumbering them with all the hosting duties (and the responsibility of keeping the conversation going, etc), when OP and FIL aren't comfortable with that.

I really like the idea of OP and FIL sharing (or taking over) the cooking duties next time. Otherwise, this:


...next time just grab a guest or two and go to the kitchen, saying, "This sounds like the fun room! Can we help?"
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Re: Little private party in the kitchen
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2019, 07:32:37 am »
I'm not sure this sounds off to me. In my family gatherings, some people hang in the kitchen and chat, some in the rec room, some outside.  We don't all sit in one room and stare at each other. 

This sounds like a normal flow to me.  And even if food is prepped beforehand, it needs to be plated, refilled, dishes washed, etc.  The kitchen is always the hub of any event. 
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