Author Topic: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others  (Read 1070 times)

oogyda

Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2020, 12:33:48 pm »
DaDancingPsych!!  Thid is what I was thinking. You expressed it so well!
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gramma dishes

Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2020, 03:42:21 pm »

...  I have a loose understanding that when I post pictures to Facebook (and likely other Internet sites) that my photo actually becomes property of Facebook. ...

A surprising number of people do believe that but it isn't true.   It's pretty much been declared a hoax by a large number of very reputable organizations.   But of course that doesn't mean that we shouldn't still be very careful about what we put "out there".

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2019/08/19/facebook-scam/#57275a1da4cf

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DaDancingPsych

Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2020, 06:19:16 pm »

...  I have a loose understanding that when I post pictures to Facebook (and likely other Internet sites) that my photo actually becomes property of Facebook. ...

A surprising number of people do believe that but it isn't true.   It's pretty much been declared a hoax by a large number of very reputable organizations.   But of course that doesn't mean that we shouldn't still be very careful about what we put "out there".

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2019/08/19/facebook-scam/#57275a1da4cf

Thanks for sharing! I always assumed that it was in the fine print when I set-up my account. Now, I definitely never believed that if I copied/pasted that post going around that it would void this. Either way, ignore my thought!

gramma dishes

Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2020, 08:14:26 pm »

Thanks for sharing! I always assumed that it was in the fine print when I set-up my account. Now, I definitely never believed that if I copied/pasted that post going around that it would void this. Either way, ignore my thought!

No, no, no!   A lot of people believe this and I think it's a good thing that you brought it up.   I'm sure other people on here have heard that too and probably believe it.   Sometimes we need to uncover stuff for each other.   :)

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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2020, 02:50:52 pm »
My gut feeling when I read the Miss Manners letter is that the people who would share this are most likely family of the people in the photos, and they probably don't even realize that the LW put any work into this at all. They are just happy to have photos of people that they know.

If it really bothers the LW, then maybe he should watermark them.  If I thought it was a great photo of Aunt Harriet, the watermark wouldn't bother me. And if I thought it was a beautifully photographed picture of people I didn't know or barely knew, I wouldn't share it anyway.
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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2020, 03:04:01 am »
Oof - this is a tough one! I'd say "it depends".

If it was just a relative re-posting a few pics, and/or if those pics featured the relative (for example, if Aunt Harriet re-posts three pics from 50, and they all feature her), then yes, I think the LW is being a bit precious.

But if these relative are re-posting whole swathes of photos, or these photos don't really feature the relative in question, I can understand why the LW is feeling a bit miffed - especially if they have some extra degree of artistic quality to them.

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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2020, 03:22:45 am »
If the photographer is going to some effort to crop and tweak his work to show it at its best, he certainly can take the time to create a suitable watermark: one that doesn’t look like a ‘this is commercial property, do not reuse’, but more like a cheery personal message to the people he’s sending it to. I’m thinking of some variation on ‘Photo by Sam Gamgee, for all the family!’ or ‘for everyone who was there!’, in a nice decorative font. This won’t stop people sharing/re-posting/downloading and printing his pictures, and if he really doesn’t want that to happen he just shouldn’t post them on Facebook at all. But it will mean that wherever they are shared or re-posted they will have his name and his intentions clearly marked on them, and if anyone actually wants to pirate his work they will have to do some serious work themselves.
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DaDancingPsych

Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2020, 07:58:11 am »
I have been thinking about this and I am picturing Cousin Richard posting a photo of Great Aunt Bertha at the family reunion. And on the photo, he has a watermark. I don't think my first reaction would be "Richard is so high maintenance!!!" (unless he truly is in other ways.) I think my reaction would probably be more towards "I didn't know Richard was so serious about his photography". I might reach out to him to learn more and he could explain the situation. I really don't see the harm in using the watermark, if that is what the LW prefers.

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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2020, 08:19:05 am »
I have been thinking about this and I am picturing Cousin Richard posting a photo of Great Aunt Bertha at the family reunion. And on the photo, he has a watermark. I don't think my first reaction would be "Richard is so high maintenance!!!" (unless he truly is in other ways.) I think my reaction would probably be more towards "I didn't know Richard was so serious about his photography". I might reach out to him to learn more and he could explain the situation. I really don't see the harm in using the watermark, if that is what the LW prefers.

I would think this too. No harm in using the watermark, but it comes across as unusual to me in the context of family reunion photos UNLESS Cousin Richard had been asked to take photos for the reunion.

We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event. When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at future events.

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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2020, 09:30:11 am »

... We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event. When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at future events.

That is really odd!  Was her camera a film camera perhaps and she thought anyone interested would ask to see the prints?  If it's a digital camera maybe she's putting them on her computer and not realizing that she has to guide other people to where to find them.  Or maybe she thinks you will all just gather around her and view them directly from her screen.  ;-D


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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2020, 11:46:57 am »

... We had a woman at my church who used to come to fellowship events and announce that she would use her fancy camera to take photos of everyone. But then she NEVER SHARED THE PHOTOS WITH ANYONE. This happened multiple times. I still think it is extremely weird. What on earth did she do with them?!?! At any rate, the first event I was at where she did this I didn't take many photos of my own because I assumed she was taking photos OF THE EVENT to be SHARED WITH PEOPLE AT THE EVENT about the event. When I (and others) learned that she was NOT sharing these photos we basically started just ignoring her photo taking at future events.

That is really odd!  Was her camera a film camera perhaps and she thought anyone interested would ask to see the prints?  If it's a digital camera maybe she's putting them on her computer and not realizing that she has to guide other people to where to find them.  Or maybe she thinks you will all just gather around her and view them directly from her screen.  ;-D

It appeared to be a digital camera to me. I got the sense that she knew how to share them but chose not to. Which - totally fine! They are her photos to share or not share. It was just that she set up this expectation that she was doing a favor for the congregation and then......she didn’t?

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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2020, 12:43:55 pm »
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It appeared to be a digital camera to me. I got the sense that she knew how to share them but chose not to. Which - totally fine! They are her photos to share or not share. It was just that she set up this expectation that she was doing a favor for the congregation and then......she didn’t?

That really is strange!  Maybe she just wanted to call everyone's attention to her new fancy camera?  Or it may be that she realized that maybe she wasn't really quite as talented a photographer as she had believed herself to be and was a little embarrassed that her pictures weren't quite as impressive as she had led people to expect.

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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2020, 01:36:45 pm »
Perhaps her announcement was to let people know she was taking their photo, so they wouldn't complain if she published them. Which, I know, is a mistake.

Or perhaps it was so people would hire her as a professional.
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gramma dishes

Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2020, 01:58:25 pm »
Perhaps her announcement was to let people know she was taking their photo, so they wouldn't complain if she published them. Which, I know, is a mistake.

Or perhaps it was so people would hire her as a professional.

Usually the professional will show a portfolio of their images.   Who would hire someone to take pictures at their important event without seeing an example of the finished product?   ???

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Re: Photo credit & sharing of photos taken by others
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2020, 02:36:58 pm »
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As a graphic designer I can't tell you how many times people come to me and ask me to use this specific photo. I immediately ask them where the photo originated from. Their response "Oh, I got it off the internet." Nope, nope, nope, not going to happen. Unless they can show me the site the photo came from and prove that it's in public domain I'm not going to go down for copyright infringement.

To be clear, I completely agree (and probably the law supports) what you are saying jpcher! If the situation is a professional setting and the photo is to be used on the website, company letter, or even the company Facebook page, you best gain permission, give credit to the photographer, and potentially pay for its usage. This even goes if a company employee (non-professional photographer) snaps a photo at the company party with their personal smart phone. (I am sure that there is a way to assign an employee to take photographs that instantly become company property, but I would still think it appropriate to credit that person.)

However, my sense of the LW's situation is not a professional company. People are reposting and swiping pictures for their personal use and likely not profiting from them in any shape or form. In a strict etiquette sense, yes, these family members should be asking Cousin LW to "share" the photo on their own Facebook page. But the etiquette norms (at least in my circle of Facebook friends) is that it's really not necessary. If I post a picture of my bestie Ellen, I have no problem if she puts it on her wall, downloads it and emails it to her mom, or if she prints it to be framed in her living room. I don't think that when she's doing this that she is taking credit for the photo. Now if she sent it in for a photo contest, then I might have an issue!

Now I will say that I belong to a few Facebook groups where there are rules in place that you can't share people's posts (which includes photos) with those outside of the group. I get why this rule is in place. And since it is an established rule by the admin, I think we all need to abide by it. If I don't like it, I can leave the group.

I don't want to muddy the discussion, but I have a loose understanding that when I post pictures to Facebook (and likely other Internet sites) that my photo actually becomes property of Facebook. I wonder how that could change things.

This is an interesting topic! Thank you Hmmm for posting!!!

True. I posted as a professional with strong ethics.

True. This was/is a family gathering and photos were shared with attendees who then went on to share the photos with other friends via internet (Facebook or whatever).

True. Those photos are now out there in the cloud somewhere where anybody can pick them up and use them for whatever purpose they'd like. Without consent or credit to the photographer.

True. I'm not arguing with anybody here, I mostly agree with your posts about personal photos. However I do think that LW is not high maintenance and anyone that publishes photos on-line should seriously think about watermarking or signing their photos.

Who knows? Maybe one of your photos would be worth big bucks but you don't get credit (or money) for it.

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