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LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« on: September 24, 2020, 08:34:56 am »
LW and her mom sent a gift for a wedding after they received the STD card. Wedding was changed from a big affair to backyard with a few in attendance. LW is suggesting the couple should return the gifts.

https://www.uexpress.com/ask-someone-elses-mom/2020/9/24/covid-caused-wedding-cancellation-makes-lw-wonder

Scrolling through the comments I didn't see where anyone agreed with the LW. But does anyone here support the LW's position?

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BeagleMommy

Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2020, 10:37:10 am »
The wedding happened.  It wasn't the grand scale they were planning, but that was through no fault of their own.  People seem to forget that the entire point of having a wedding is to enter into a marriage.  If the wedding had not taken place at all the HC would have to return gifts.
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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2020, 11:00:58 am »
I agree with BeagleMommy.  The Wedding ceremony is not the culmination of anything.  It’s simply a public recognition that a marriage has begun.

Gifts for a Wedding are traditionally things that the couple will be using in their married life.  Heck, we have a few things we received as Wedding gifts in 1983 that we still use several times a week.

 A truncated Wedding celebration due to health considerations is, in my opinion, not a reason to return gifts. 

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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2020, 11:03:44 am »
Yes, the wedding gift should really be called a marriage gift.

The reason you give a gift if you're invited to the wedding is that the invitation is a message that says: "You are so important to us that we want you to be at our wedding." 

THAT message is why you give a gift, in order to send the message back: "You are so important enough to us that we want to mark your major life event with a token of love and support."

None of those messages were negated here, ESPECIALLY since the change in invitations was due to a highly infectious disease that like to use weddings as a particular jumping off point.

Just as an invitation is not an invoice, neither is a gift a ticket.
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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2020, 11:33:18 am »
The LW is being selfish and petulant. The HC didn't have much control of what amount of people could be in the facility during a *pandemic.* Insisting a gift be returned because you weren't able to attend through nobody's fault is, IMHO, very childish.
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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2020, 11:49:43 am »
Expecting the gift back is very, very childish. This couple had to downscale their wedding, likely lost a deposit or two, and probably had to cancel their honeymoon (or at least modify it a lot). I'd be more inclined to send them a little something extra than ask for the gift back. My thinking is, "They've been through so much."

If the couple has a reception or large gathering to celebrate the wedding later, the LW and her mother wouldn't need to gift for that occasion.

I can't believe, in the middle of a global pandemic, that the LW can't have a little empathy for this couple.
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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2020, 12:40:26 pm »
Along with the first line of the answer, the gift is a gift to the couple for their marriage, not a fee for a party.
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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2020, 01:34:58 pm »
Along with the first line of the answer, the gift is a gift to the couple for their marriage, not a fee for a party.

Even before clicking on the link, my first thought was they are acting like gifts are tickets to a concert and now they are asking for a refund because the show got canceled.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2020, 01:36:45 pm by Rose Red »
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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2020, 02:08:02 pm »
oh, man--I'm so bummed out by the name of that column: Ask Someone Else's Mom

i wanted to start a one-person peaking agency to talk to middle-schoolers, high-schoolers, and college students about life and advice, and I was going to call it Someone Else's Mom.

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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2020, 03:46:18 pm »
I absolutely agree that the guests would be way out of line to expect or ask for gifts to be returned.  And I also think that the HC has no duty at all to return gifts.

It might be an especially classy touch to make a nice donation to charity (I don't mean a substantial fraction of the gifts they received, just a meaningful gift) of some of the money they would have spent on a reception in honor of their would-have-been guests that they had hoped to entertain.  (This would counter any unkind thoughts of "Well, they saved a bundle, but we're still out a bigger gift than we would have given if we weren't planning on attending a wedding," if most of the gifts were cash gifts in a cover-your-plate social circle!   :)) ) It certainly isn't required, or anywhere near required, but I know I would be really impressed with a couple that did that. 
« Last Edit: September 24, 2020, 05:01:58 pm by Gellchom »

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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2020, 04:47:26 pm »
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But does anyone here support the LW's position?

I don't. A gift was sent because the person would have been invited. Through no fault of their own, the couple had to cancel the planned reception and cut the guest list for the backyard affair. Wanting the gift returned makes it look like you ONLY sent the gift because you were getting a nice meal. It would be hard enough for the bride and groom to have to give up their "dream wedding", expecting gifts to be returned just adds to their disappointment. People who care about the couple would simply sympathize with them.
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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2020, 07:49:45 pm »
I'm honestly not sure how I feel about the LW.  I do agree that the new couple should not return the gift and that to expect them to do so is unreasonable and unrealistic.

But I've never sent a gift in response to a Save the Date notice.   Don't most people wait until they actually have an invitation in their hand?  All kinds of things can happen between save the date and the actual ceremony itself.  I think she and her mother had the right idea -- combining to get a more expensive gift.  And it's also commendable to get it there comfortably before the wedding date.  But maybe they just sent it too soon?
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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2020, 11:44:09 am »
I'm with everyone else here.  The idea that the couple ought to send the gift back rests on the assumption that wedding presents are essentially payment for a seat at the shindig, which is a horrid idea.

Odd, too, that the LW and her mother, neither of whom is particularly close to the bride either emotionally or by blood (second cousin) leapt in and bought 'one of the more expensive items on the registry'. I suspect darkly that they expected the wedding presents to be on display at the reception and wanted to impress everyone with their generosity.  Now that isn't going to happen, they're sorry they bought anything at all.
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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2020, 11:57:46 am »
The circumstances were unavoidable; therefore, there should be no expectation of gifts being returned.

However, if the happy couple, in non-Covid times, suddenly decided to just up and elope, rather than go through with a larger ceremony and reception?  I think they should at least ask the question of whether or not the giver would like the gift returned.  I would think most people would say no.

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Re: LW wants gift returned because of Covid wedding change
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2020, 12:00:26 pm »
I'm with everyone else here.  The idea that the couple ought to send the gift back rests on the assumption that wedding presents are essentially payment for a seat at the shindig, which is a horrid idea.

Odd, too, that the LW and her mother, neither of whom is particularly close to the bride either emotionally or by blood (second cousin) leapt in and bought 'one of the more expensive items on the registry'. I suspect darkly that they expected the wedding presents to be on display at the reception and wanted to impress everyone with their generosity.  Now that isn't going to happen, they're sorry they bought anything at all.

I'll admit that a form of the bolded crossed my mind, I thought, "If it were for a bridal shower, they might have wanted credit." In my region, excepting my cousin, gifts aren't opened or displayed at the reception.  I still think the mention that they bought one of the more expensive gifts on the registry points to something. Would gifts be opened the morning after at a brunch? Would they mention what they bought at their table or to other guests?

I've thought about this thread and the overall lack of generosity a couple times. I wonder if there's something about living in the stress and anxiety of a pandemic that has some people's brains flipping to a scarcity mindset and becoming parsimonious without reason? (I realize some people are in worse financial conditions and have to belt tighten, I mean people whose income is largely unchanged and they're getting miserly.) Because the only thing different here is the LW is not attending the wedding. Like I said upthread, if anything, the LW has saved money, so it's not, rationally, about the money.  They're either considering the gift a ticket for a meal and entertainment, they want some sort of social recognition for the expensive gift, or they've gotten irrationally miserly.
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